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Re: Camming the PW

Post by TrueCowboy426 » Thu May 23, 2013 9:07 pm

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EXACTLY---dead on !!! :rockon:

I just looked where you live up on the map---not too far away. Needs me a passport though, which i dont have----yet.

:idea: NOTE: at some point, i may have to make a trip across the border to have you do the cam & stuff on mine !!! LOL :notworthy:


I have my passport and I would be willing to travel a to work on someone else's truck. Let me know when you have parts lined up and I'd be happy to come give you a hand. It really is easier than you might think. That offer stands for anyone that isn't "too" far from me.

So far I'm still loving the cam. I love the look I get from people when they hear a modern hemi (or any modern motor) sitting beside them with the lope this truck now has. It's pretty cool (I'm sure it will get annoying) but the truck will actually visibly rock with lope. Sure gets a lot of attention now. :drool:
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by gun45boat » Wed May 29, 2013 3:30 pm

What is involved on the tune to make it run as you would like?? I am seriously considering this mod, but I need to to be reliable.. What do you think.

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Re: Camming the PW

Post by TrueCowboy426 » Fri May 31, 2013 11:00 pm

To get the most out of it, I need to get a wideband air/fuel gauge, and get some logs off to my tuner. Out of the box, my tuner has a nice tune that the truck has performed almost flawlessly with, and the issues I did have are not show stoppers or interfere with the drive-ability and reliability of the truck.
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by TrueCowboy426 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:31 pm

Well, I don't have much to update on this. I'm working with a different tuner now, and he is really getting this cam to perform how I expected. I just got to get my logger hooked up to my wideband and we can really get the tune nailed down. I don't know how guys do it by video, but that sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Noh7ydY63k

Oh and I also got parts in for more upgrades. Flywheel hopefully will be in next week.
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1998 Dodge 2500 Laramie, QCSB 4x4. 24V cummins, completely rebuilt chassis with '01 1500 body installed, full gauges, Edge drag comp box, +150hp injectors, performance 47re built by me, 35" Toyo MTs on 3rd gen wheels.
2002 Dodge Ram 1500 ST 4x4 Quad Cab 4.7L Bright Silver, HO Cams, 12,000 lbs Winch mounted behind bumper, 4.56's, 2500 factory tow hooks, 35x12.50 Toyo MT's, Air-Lift Ride Control bags, homemade hidden ball gooseneck hitch.
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by fbenross » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:29 am

Great post..reminds me of my younger years, when I couldn't own anything w/o installing hedders and a cam. Now I just live vicariously through people like you....keep up the good work !!
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by 05PWrockcrawler » Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:04 am

I want a cam in my truck!!!!!!


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Re: Camming the PW

Post by verdesardog » Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:54 am

05PWrockcrawler wrote:I want a cam in my truck!!!!!!


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I think you already have a cam in your truck! :poke:
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by 05PWrockcrawler » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:00 am

Cans maybe!!!! I need to swap all my valve springs out any ways. Broke 2 already and swapped them out. Maybe next year sometime I can do a cam and spring swap.


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Re: Camming the PW

Post by TwinStick » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:07 am

So, what kind of flywheel ? Stock ? If not, did something happen to the stock one ? We need more info here ! Just sayin'. :poke:

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Re: Camming the PW

Post by 06wagon » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:23 pm

Flywheel most likely had a lot of small cracks in it. At least that's how mine was when I put my clutch in.
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by TrueCowboy426 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:30 pm

I'm just going with a stock flywheel. I couldn't find anything aftermarket that I could replace stock with, so I have no choice. I'm only replacing the flywheel because this truck as gone thru 2 stock clutches in 110k miles, and I know it has gotten VERY hot a few times, and just generally had a rough life. It has done a couple of pulls where the smoke cloud out of the clutch was pretty impressive (once by me, oops :doh: ), and I could feel the heat radiating out of the bell housing after the pull, so I'm pretty confident that I don't want to risk resurfacing it and using it again. With the upgrades I have done and still have plans to do, I don't want a flywheel coming apart at the rpms I plan on turning during pulls, and runs, so it's a cheap safeguard. I'm still daily driving the truck (clutch that is in it still engages good enough, just won't hold the extra torque if I push it in the lower gears), and I don't plan on putting in the new clutch until closer to spring.
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by TrueCowboy426 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:47 pm

fbenross wrote:Great post..reminds me of my younger years, when I couldn't own anything w/o installing hedders and a cam. Now I just live vicariously through people like you....keep up the good work !!
Thanks. I don't travel or take vacations (having to look after my father and farm puts a damper on that kind of stuff) so I spend my play money on building up trucks with him, and building the things he always wanted to, but just couldn't get to. I kind of beat to a different drummer in what I choose to modify (big block Dakota, making a performance orientated truck out of a PW, 53 Fargo we built,etc) and I love to build things that just catch everyone off guard and don't expect, and look factory. Hopefully this weekend I will be picking up a first gen 2wd diesel that I have a plans on making a 1979 RCSB street truck out of that will stomp my Dakota!! I also do this now, as I know when I eventually settle down, all the "toys" will come to an end.
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2002 Dodge Ram 1500 ST 4x4 Quad Cab 4.7L Bright Silver, HO Cams, 12,000 lbs Winch mounted behind bumper, 4.56's, 2500 factory tow hooks, 35x12.50 Toyo MT's, Air-Lift Ride Control bags, homemade hidden ball gooseneck hitch.
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by ramit99 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:59 am

This cam mod could be in the near future for me. Love the sound of the idle. Can't get the video to play anymore
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by TrueCowboy426 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:53 pm

Sweet deal, I certainly don't really regret doing it to mine. If I was doing it over again (and I still might) I would get a custom ground cam build to get the absolute most torque out of this motor that is possible. The current cam is pretty damn strong, but the big block torque in my Dakota has spoiled me and I want that feeling for the PW.

If you do go and do this, let me know as I have all the tools to do the cam and spring swap and it will save you from buying them.

I'll see if I can't the vid working again. Photobucket has done something wierd to me.

Vid now on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNA2COHB ... e=youtu.be
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2002 Dodge Ram 1500 ST 4x4 Quad Cab 4.7L Bright Silver, HO Cams, 12,000 lbs Winch mounted behind bumper, 4.56's, 2500 factory tow hooks, 35x12.50 Toyo MT's, Air-Lift Ride Control bags, homemade hidden ball gooseneck hitch.
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by 05PWrockcrawler » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:47 am

Damn video works but no sound lol. That sucks lol.


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Re: Camming the PW

Post by Thatdodgeguy » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:45 pm

Is that the cam that is supposed to give more power low n the rpm range? I'm looking to do something like that to my daily driver but need to do lots more research.
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My absolute favorite things I've put on thus far, the amp power steps & those icon control arms (tire rub drives me nuts). That & every performance bolt on I've put on I freaking love, but if I had to choose it would be those steps (gotta bad leg & the steps are a major help) & icon control arms.

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Re: Camming the PW

Post by 06wagon » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:37 am

There is a lot of options out there for a cam. Different grinds will give you power at different rpms. Or if you are going to do any other modifications to the motor....

Finding a good tuner will be just as challenging as finding the right cam.
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Post by Thatdodgeguy » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:00 am

I wanna go with a mild cam. It's gotta get me to work the next day and the day after. I like the power now but I need more of it down low. I'm very new to all this I observed or did some part off all the mods listed on my signature, so I am learning.

Is an aftermarket cam even reliable enough to b daily driven.
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My absolute favorite things I've put on thus far, the amp power steps & those icon control arms (tire rub drives me nuts). That & every performance bolt on I've put on I freaking love, but if I had to choose it would be those steps (gotta bad leg & the steps are a major help) & icon control arms.

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Re: Camming the PW

Post by 06wagon » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:39 am

Take a look into Inertia Motorsports. They do pretty well in Hemi's
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Re: Camming the PW

Post by TrueCowboy426 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:51 pm

This KRC 210X cam is primarily a low/mid range torque cam, exactly what I was looking for without spending the $400+ for a custom grind. When I picked up this cam, I wasn't sure it it would even be tunable because there has been a few guys that couldn't get the computer to like it and run decently (this cam has a tight LSA which sometimes doesn't play nice). So far my truck is running pretty strong with no real issues, plus the price I paid for this used cam I couldn't pass up.

Like 06Wagon said, find your tuner first. I started out with Sean (Hemifever), but went with David Amalong (whitelightening) and his tuning has been badass so far, and I haven't done hardly any logs with him yet.

When specing out your cam don't get hung up on peak horsepower numbers that the manufacturer's put out. If at all possible find dyno graphs and look for a lot of area under the torque curve. No fun having a cam that only makes power at 4000+rpms, has a short operating rpm range, or looses any torque in the lower rpms. These trucks need all the torque they can get, and torque is the seat of the pants grunt you feel.

Build for torque and horsepower will follow.
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1998 Dodge 2500 Laramie, QCSB 4x4. 24V cummins, completely rebuilt chassis with '01 1500 body installed, full gauges, Edge drag comp box, +150hp injectors, performance 47re built by me, 35" Toyo MTs on 3rd gen wheels.
2002 Dodge Ram 1500 ST 4x4 Quad Cab 4.7L Bright Silver, HO Cams, 12,000 lbs Winch mounted behind bumper, 4.56's, 2500 factory tow hooks, 35x12.50 Toyo MT's, Air-Lift Ride Control bags, homemade hidden ball gooseneck hitch.
1987 W100 - carburated 5.7 Hemi/727 combo, 35" Toyo MT's. Ramcharger D44 w/ warn hubs, Warlock seats, 2nd gen center console
1987 Dakota - RCSB, 413 big block, LT headers.
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