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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby DamageWagon » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:46 pm

I've got a narrow-track Dana 44 with 5.38's in the yard if you want one [emoji2]


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Re: Building my

Postby jailor97 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:22 pm

DamageWagon wrote:I've got a narrow-track Dana 44 with 5.38's in the yard if you want one [emoji2]


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That is way more work than I care to bite off without having a garage to keep it in.
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Re: Gearing change

Postby jailor97 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:27 pm

olyelr wrote:
jailor97 wrote:Looking to get the gears swapped out. Been pouring over the threads here (and elsewhere) seeing what has/hasn't worked.

Thinking about 4.88 and even toying with the idea of 5.13.

Thoughts?


I have been pondering this for a while as well, and am also stuck between those two ratios. I think both would work well, even with 37's. If your gonna stop at 35's (that was funny :lol: ) then I think the 4.88's would probably be better suited.

Do you DD your truck a lot on highways/freeway's? 4.88's. Do you tow a lot? 5.13's.

Also, I have heard the non AAM gears can be a bit noisy, which I dont think they offer a 5.13 ratio. That could be a problem for someone who likes the quite/plush ride these trucks offer on the highway.


Don't try to drum up that old argument about 37's. :roll:

Given the need to keep access into the truck reasonable, I will be staying with 35's.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby nts007 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:44 pm

37's are the new 'reasonable' 35's....... Now 40's.... That's the new 37's!!
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby adeluca73 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:16 pm

I have 4.88's and 37"x12.5" Nitto RG's (Sister company of Toyo and = to the R/T) + 1.5" Truxx PW level.

- MPG : decreased
- Speedo : off ~ 12% (effectively about 5mph at 40mph and almost 7mph at 60mph)
- Feel : 4.88's help, but you can feel the extra rotational inertia, especially at the stop
- Pressure : 45PSI
- TPMS: on

I think 35"s are a good all around compromise.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby jailor97 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:15 pm

Winch is on, but still need to re-route the electrical. The power module would not fit when mounting this in the correct position. But at least the hard work is done!

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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby Reloaderguy » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:16 pm

That's upside down. The gear box should be on the driver's side and the drum pulling from the top.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby nts007 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:17 am

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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby jailor97 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:39 am

Reloaderguy wrote:That's upside down. The gear box should be on the driver's side and the drum pulling from the top.


???

The gentleman I purchased the winch from said when previously mounted, it was re-spooled to wind the opposite direction. If I flip it, the power cables to the battery will not reach the terminals. Once I figure out the mounting of the power module, I will re-spool and perhaps replace the cable (if it is damaged).
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby FirerescuePW » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:51 am

Well, it's mounted the right direction, but it certainly doesn't look like it is spooled the correct direction. You can't just spool the cable on the opposite direction, because the brake is designed to work one way only.

Let's start over with this question- does it have a DODGE/RAM logo on it?

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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby jailor97 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:03 pm

Yes it does.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby Reloaderguy » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:40 pm

3rd Gen PW winches spool backwards. 4th gens have regular winches turned upside down. The spool lever should be on the driver's side.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby DamageWagon » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:48 pm

Just ran outside and grabbed these. Ignore the poorly wrapped winch cable. 2011 truck.

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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby Reloaderguy » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:53 pm

Laying on the ground looking up. Driver's side is left.

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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby nts007 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:44 pm

So basically the 4th gen trucks just got a regular ole winch where the 3rd gens got one special for them. Makes me like the 3rd gen trucks even more lol

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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby jailor97 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:15 pm

I'm taking it in tomorrow to a local Warn authorized repair center to make head and tails of this.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby DamageWagon » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:19 pm

I think our pictures are going to do much more justice than some parts dude who doesn't know what a PW is. Just sayin. Flip that bitch!


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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby Reloaderguy » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:42 pm

nts007 wrote:So basically the 4th gen trucks just got a regular ole winch where the 3rd gens got one special for them. Makes me like the 3rd gen trucks even more lol

You're going to have to affirm that the winch is a 4th gen


The 4th Gen winches pull from higher up and can be repaired with off the shelf parts. I can also put my OE warn winch into any aftermarket bumper without having to rewire the winch and buy a new clutch. Neither is necessary better from an OE standpoint but 4th Gen winches are more flexible.

OP, your battery cables are probably out of a 3rd Gen which is why they are short.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby nts007 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:40 pm

All the parts from the m15000 that I needed to repair my winch once way back when worked just fine. Planetary Gearset and solinoids. Water crossings..... Caused some issues then winter freezing made it broken. I was very intimate with my winch then

They are the same winch. If The 3rd gen pulled from bottom then they flipped the winch and the 4th pulls from the top. So the spool still spins the same way...
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby Reloaderguy » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:39 pm

nts007 wrote:All the parts from the m15000 that I needed to repair my winch once way back when worked just fine. Planetary Gearset and solinoids. Water crossings..... Caused some issues then winter freezing made it broken. I was very intimate with my winch then

They are the same winch. If The 3rd gen pulled from bottom then they flipped the winch and the 4th pulls from the top. So the spool still spins the same way...


The pictures say otherwise.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby jailor97 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:58 pm

Took it to an authorized WARN repair shop. The winch is mounted correctly. However, there is a cable coming from the truck that needs to be plugged in to the winch (thermometric switch?) and the winch does not have a place for this wire to be connected. Additionally, I had another wire come loose from a connector that needs to be fixed before any power can be hooked up.

I do know this winch is NOT a 4th gen model, so it will not be looking mounted correctly for the year of my truck.

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I took the leap!

Postby jailor97 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:48 pm

This little gem came while I was out of town soaking up Caribbean rays :excited:
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby Reloaderguy » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:01 pm

jailor97 wrote:Took it to an authorized WARN repair shop. The winch is mounted correctly. However, there is a cable coming from the truck that needs to be plugged in to the winch (thermometric switch?) and the winch does not have a place for this wire to be connected. Additionally, I had another wire come loose from a connector that needs to be fixed before any power can be hooked up.

I do know this winch is NOT a 4th gen model, so it will not be looking mounted correctly for the year of my truck.

I appreciate all the input received. It helps keep me educated so when I go to a shop, I can appear to know what I am talking about :ugeek:


So long as the cable pulls from the top of the drum directly through the fairlead you should be fine. I'm not sure why RAM changed to or from the third gen winches, it looks as though they bolt up interchangeably.
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Re: Building my "Beast"

Postby FirerescuePW » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:00 am

Probably so they could stop special ordering winches from Warn. I imagine they can buy a standard configuration cheaper than one that runs backwards. I think this is evident in the poor accessibility of the engagement handle when they switched. It just doesn't seem as well planned as the original.

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Re: Building my "Beast" - Tuner update

Postby jailor97 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:14 pm

Ok, I have had this tune installed now for almost two weeks. I have not yet had the opportunity to take my truck out on an extended road trip to test out the MPG Booster. That will come later this year (perhaps in July because of my work schedule). I will try to convey the proper information in a clear manner. Unfortunately, I am not an engineering type of person, so it may not be as well put for some of you out there.

First – the behavior of the truck prior to install.

Initially, I have found our trucks to be a little bit sluggish. I did test drive a 2500 with the 5.7 under the hood before buying my PW and I am ever so glad I chose the PW. The extra size in the engine definitely helps get this monster moving.
The truck had 265 sized tires on it when I took it on my first road trip to Yellowstone. (We won’t get into my lack of research concerning standard PW equipment from the factory) Maintaining at least the speed limit (but never more than 5 over) I was able to average 15.5 mpg for the entire trip. This included towing a car on the way back home. During the tow home, I kept my speed down to 60 mph because of the less than stellar appearance of the towing dolly from U-Haul. My mileage peaked at just a shade over 17 mpg (17.2 I think) and I was extremely impressed.
Even around town, the truck stayed above 14 mpg. But like I mentioned earlier, it seemed to take more time to accelerate to appropriate speeds. For a truck almost hitting the scales at 8000 lbs. I really can’t complain.

Bigger tires = less MPG

We are all familiar with the tire debate on the forum. After much deliberation, I decided on 35” BFG’s. After the install, with great disappointment, I watched as my fuel economy start to take a huge hit. Around town mileage went all the way down to 10.4 mpg! Limited highway exposure saw the numbers climb back to a somewhat respectable 11.5, but gone were the days of my mid to upper teens. It was at this time I began to consider some methods to restore/improve the mpg’s without going back to a smaller tire.

New Exhaust

For under $900 I removed and installed a new exhaust system. My around town mileage improved from 10.4 to 11.3, almost a full mile per gallon! Highway travel saw a similar increase, going from 11.5 to 12.3. Personally, I think it was money well spent. Especially since now my truck has a cool lower tone when idling and accelerating.

Tuner vs. Re-Gearing

Both of these options are not cheap. Estimates for my marker saw re-gearing coming in at $1800. Because I own a 2015 PW, a new tuner comes in at $900 from most retailers and $1000 from Sean at Hemifever. Both items will void a factory warranty. After consulting with a few local 4x4 shops here in town, I decided to go with the tuning option. For my purposes, re-gearing without immediately going to a 37” tire was not going to help me much. I went with the Hemifever option to get custom tuning from Sean.

A recap on my mileage before the tuner:
Highway – 15.5 down to 11.5 and then back up to 12.3
City – 14+ down to 10.4 and then back up to 11.3

Now for the tuner!

I didn’t bother running a separate set of numbers with the canned tune from Diablo. I will tell you this, there was a marked “seat of the pants” improvement with acceleration off the line and the shift points were completely different. A day or two later, Sean sent me my custom tune and, in short, what a rush!
This truck absolutely screams in the upper range of the rpm’s. Just so I don’t get in trouble, I have yet to see what it tops out at. Under hard acceleration, the gears have a smooth shift and almost zero power loss. The truck now wants to stay in each gearing longer as it wrings out as much power as it can before shifting to the next gear.
I live at 7200 ft. above sea level. I am still disappointed that I cannot get these tires to “chirp” as other people have mentioned here on the forum that have larger sized tires. I realize that isn’t indicative of anything to do with my vehicle. It is simply losing about 20% of my factory hp without anything substantial installed to make up that lost difference. I am sure that if I travel to a lower elevation, things would change.
I have not ran a tune with 91 or 93 octane. I thought my local gas stations only carried 85, 87 and 89 so I still need to back in touch with Sean and get a tune for the 93. With the increased cost at the pump, I may not run 93 very often, but I would like to see what it could do.

Now for the numbers.

Highway – As of right now, the best it is doing is 12.2. I haven’t ran it very far to see if this number will increase, but I am sure it will.
City – As of right now, if I can keep my foot out of it, it is a solid 11.6 and it will flirt with higher numbers until I get stuck idling at lights or on very cold mornings.
When I put my foot into the gas and then try to ease off, the numbers are quick to recover, thus leading me to believe I have not yet seen the maximum improvement for the mpg’s.
Small improvements over factory, but this is an 87 tune and Sean claims the real improvements come with the 93 tuning.

A few notes about the behavior of the truck since installing the tuner:

MDS functionality – I asked Sean to create two tunes, mild and aggressive. With the aggressive tune the MDS is set to off. The dash light still comes on when cruise control is set, but there is no change in the exhaust note. Sean claims it is turned off, so I would assume it is really turned off.

Speedometer – Tire size can be adjusted and thus, speed is corrected for your tire size. Just measure the tire before plugging in your numbers. I have 35” BFG’s, but they measure at 33.5”. Go figure. The tuner will show saving the tire size as a “failure”. But when you go back in to try again, your previous entry was saved. Again, go figure.

Traction Control – Since I haven’t “chirped” my tires, I don’t know if this is turned off. That is an option with Diablo. I get the same “failure” notification when attempting to adjust this setting, but you cannot tell if it is truly turned off when you go back in to check the settings. I may try tweaking the tune a bit to see if I can get the tires to break loose.

Installation – I couldn’t find any videos online for the 6.4, but a 5.7 install shows the ECU mounted to the firewall. Ours is located near the front grill making installation a snap. If you can operate your computer and download music to an IPod like device, you won’t have any troubles. One note, the instruction from Sean appear to be written for the push button ignition. Disregard the push button and use common sense with the key position and it will work just fine.

DDM tuning lights – Before the install, I was getting random headlight out error messages on my EVIC. Also, my passenger light would occasionally not turn on. I turned the headlight control from “auto” to “manual”. This help a bit, but it still didn’t solve my problem. Now with a new ECU, I have yet to experience any of this behavior from my headlights. Problem solved? Time will tell.

Overall, I am happy with my purchase. I wish I could have got it on sale or saved a few bucks somehow. With the additional purchase of an ECU it makes this purchase a bit more complicated. I figure I have an emergency back-up ECU in case this one goes belly up. This tuner seems to have breathed life into my truck that was lacking with factory settings. When passing slower traffic, there is more power available and it is pretty cool to have this beast of a truck blow the doors off smaller cars!

If you have any questions, please ask away. I’m sorry I could not put this on a dyno to get true numbers. That would be the ultimate test. But, when looking at posted results from other owners of Ram trucks (5.7) they have experienced significant improvements over factory with this tuner set-up.
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