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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Low_Sky » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:45 am

nts007 wrote:
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Stage 1 can feel like stage 4 in the cold. I did some re valving with don on his 2.5s and changed the fluid to amsoil shock therapy light. I started at a stage 2. Now I'm at like a stage 0.75
Neil, I'll probably be picking your brain about valving and oil when it starts cooling off this winter. I got started googling different shock oil viscosities and VI's the other day but decided it was a waste of effort because I couldn't find any properties for King shock oil, so I really didn't have a benchmark to compare to. As an engineer, it bothers me that I can't find any kind of spec sheet for the stuff, nor even an SDS. That tells me its either super secret unicorn ejaculate, or "the cheap shit" in a King bottle (I'm guessing the latter).
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by nts007 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:40 am

You bet! Be happy to share my findings and struggles.
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Colibri » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:49 am

#norsemenproblems lol

That’s going to ride so damn nice low_sky! Titty city for sure
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Reloaderguy » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:31 pm

Because of how my rears are valved I have the same problem in warmer temps (still below freezing). The temp sensitivity sucks.
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I laughed out loud.
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Low_Sky » Tue May 01, 2018 12:39 am

Fun facts about King shock oil:
Kinematic viscosity at 100C: 4.3 cSt
Kinematic viscosity at 40C: 22 cSt
Kinematic viscosity at 0C: 180 cSt
Viscosity Index: 100
Pour point: -22F

If you live somewhere cold, this stuff is not the right oil for you. I'm going to enjoy the crap out of Don's valving this summer, and when it gets cold I'll have the pleasure of learning shock tuning with a different fluid. Probably Fox or Amsoil.
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Bill2014 » Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 am

Low_Sky wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:39 am
Fun facts about King shock oil:
Kinematic viscosity at 100C: 4.3 cSt
Kinematic viscosity at 40C: 22 cSt
Kinematic viscosity at 0C: 180 cSt
Viscosity Index: 100
Pour point: -22F

If you live somewhere cold, this stuff is not the right oil for you. I'm going to enjoy the crap out of Don's valving this summer, and when it gets cold I'll have the pleasure of learning shock tuning with a different fluid. Probably Fox or Amsoil.
Those viscosity numbers for the King oil are terrible... I had no idea there was that much variability :jawdrop:
How hot does the oil get when you work the shocks hard?

I see a huge outside temperature swing here where I live ( -35F to 95F )

Surely there must be other oil options out there
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Reloaderguy » Tue May 01, 2018 8:35 am

Bill2014 wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 am
Low_Sky wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:39 am
Fun facts about King shock oil:
Kinematic viscosity at 100C: 4.3 cSt
Kinematic viscosity at 40C: 22 cSt
Kinematic viscosity at 0C: 180 cSt
Viscosity Index: 100
Pour point: -22F

If you live somewhere cold, this stuff is not the right oil for you. I'm going to enjoy the crap out of Don's valving this summer, and when it gets cold I'll have the pleasure of learning shock tuning with a different fluid. Probably Fox or Amsoil.
Those viscosity numbers for the King oil are terrible... I had no idea there was that much variability :jawdrop:
How hot does the oil get when you work the shocks hard?

I see a huge outside temperature swing here where I live ( -35F to 95F )

Surely there must be other oil options out there
They don't warm up at -25 no matter how fast you drive.
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Low_Sky » Tue May 01, 2018 9:01 am

Bill2014 wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 am
Low_Sky wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:39 am
Fun facts about King shock oil:
Kinematic viscosity at 100C: 4.3 cSt
Kinematic viscosity at 40C: 22 cSt
Kinematic viscosity at 0C: 180 cSt
Viscosity Index: 100
Pour point: -22F

If you live somewhere cold, this stuff is not the right oil for you. I'm going to enjoy the crap out of Don's valving this summer, and when it gets cold I'll have the pleasure of learning shock tuning with a different fluid. Probably Fox or Amsoil.
Those viscosity numbers for the King oil are terrible... I had no idea there was that much variability :jawdrop:
How hot does the oil get when you work the shocks hard?

I see a huge outside temperature swing here where I live ( -35F to 95F )

Surely there must be other oil options out there
Every shock oil has a range like that. The viscosity index is a calculated unitless number that rates an oil’s temperature viscosity stability. 100 was good when the calculation was invented. Now there are hydraulic oils with VIs into the 200s and 300s. Every oil also has a pour point, and that’s independent of the VI. An oil with a 250 VI would be very temp stable, but if it has a -10F pour point, it’s useless as a shock oil for anybody with a real winter.
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by TwinStick » Wed May 02, 2018 10:49 pm

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/ ... ion-fluid/

Amsoil makes shock oil. Only 2 weights right now though. Pour point is -63*F for the #5 & -54*F for the #10.

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g1663.pdf
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-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Low_Sky » Thu May 03, 2018 2:19 am

I settled on Maxima Racing Shock Fluid. The Amsoil viscosity index is around 210. Maxima VI is around 370. Pour point is a little higher for the Maxima, but still should be adequate for the average temps here.
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Re: Low_Sky's 2015 Power Wagon Laramie

Post by Low_Sky » Tue May 08, 2018 10:40 am

My Purple Cranium half spiders showed up last night.

For anybody wanting to add these; front diff bolts are 10mm hex, rear diff bolts are 13mm hex (you’ll need a wrench or a 3/8” ratchet and short socket to reach under the rear sway bar), and the Purple Cranium stainless bolts are a 6mm hex socket. I didn’t lose any gear oil from the front, lost just a drop from the rear while making the swap. I just did gear oil, so I wanted to leave the covers in place, but if you’re due for gear oil it’d be a good time for a fluid swap since taking the old bolts out gets you halfway there.

I ordered Rust Brown powder coat. It’s a pretty decent match for the exterior paint, and in a few years the undercarriage will match too.
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