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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by Cactus Red » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:25 pm

Made the decision today to move on from the Nitto Trails. The left hand pull of the Nitto Trails gets worse as they wear, and I really don't like that at all. As of right now, if I let go of the wheel, I'm drifting into on coming traffic pretty damn quick.

Had a slow leak develop in a deep sidewall slice, so instead of replacing it with the same tire, I'll be stowing a new 35/12.5-17 E rated Toyo under the bed. The rest of the tires will be replaced this fall (or sooner). I'd seriously considered going to the 285/75-17, but I'm vain enough to think a 34" tire would look a bit too small after the extra wide Nittos.
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by coder » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:37 pm

So what tires are you getting?

I've heard a lot of good about Mickey Thompson MTZ's in 315/70-17. The construction, traction, fit, and drive-ability reviews have been very positive about the only negative is the price they are expensive.

Anyway keep us posted....
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by Cactus Red » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:19 pm

I'll be switching to the 35/12.5-17 E rated Toyo AT2. The Jeep is being used for more and more of the general trail use, so the M/T type tires aren't a requirement anymore. With a 50K tread wear rating, and less hard use, these should last for a few years.
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by coder » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:52 pm

Cactus Red wrote:I'll be switching to the 35/12.5-17 E rated Toyo AT2. The Jeep is being used for more and more of the general trail use, so the M/T type tires aren't a requirement anymore. With a 50K tread wear rating, and less hard use, these should last for a few years.

Been thinking long and hard about doing the same thing when I need new tires myself.
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by Cactus Red » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:10 am

The Nittos weigh 88 lbs each - the Toyo's are 69, so I'll be shedding almost 80 lbs of un-sprung weight. I'm hoping to pick up the 1.5 MPG lost to the Nitto's plus a little more with a less aggressive tread. Getting 13+ MPG would really be a welcome change...
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by CJ8Rockcrawler » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:01 am

Funny you should bring this up. I was just revisiting this for my truck... might have to give these a try.

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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by Cactus Red » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:57 pm

All I can say is WOW!

They are actually round.

The worst tire took 3oz to balance.

Compared to all the previous tires on the truck, they are virtually silent.

GPS shows them to be 4% off on the speedo, slightly less than the MT/R, BFG, and Nitto 35's.

No pull left or right. Cactus Red tracked straight ahead with hands off the wheel.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how they do in dirt!
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by RedMan » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:53 am

those are the TOYOs correct? keep us informed, I am not an AT guy at all, but at some point I might be considering them.
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by Cactus Red » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:34 pm

Forgot to add the final price per tire.

Since Discount Tire isn't a Toyo dealer, they said they would match the best pricing I could find including shipping. The tires came in at $245.00, so with shipping, road hazard, Enviro Fee, lifetime rotate and balance, and tax at 10.1%, it came out to $350.00 each on the truck. That seems reasonable to me.

Still haven't got the first tank of fuel on'm yet, but from what I'm seeing, the range has gone from 350 or so on the Nitto's to 410, and that suggests an improvement of nearly 2 MPG. I'll get some hard numbers over the next few weeks.

The truck tips the scales at a little over 8K. After adjusting tire pressure to get them to run edge to edge, I've got the fronts at 42 PSI, the rears at 40. That makes sense since the tires are rated for 3195 lbs each at 65 PSI. The ride is great - way softer than the Nittos. Now that they are running edge to edge, there is a slight hum, I'd say less that 50% of the road noise of an M/T.
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by azracer » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:01 pm

That is good news as I'm considering them for my truck.

I like the Yokohama ATS I have now but want something just a little more aggressive. I'm likely going to look into these. I run about 42f and 34r but I have no weight to speak of in my bed or I would likely be closer to 40r. So it is encouraging that all the numbers are so close as this tells me I'm going to like the ride. The 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee is just over 110K and has recently required a bit of mechanical attention, but I still can't convince her to get a new Jeep (or anything else). So that will wait a few more years I suppose, I kind of like saving the money anyway.
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

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Nice Fab work on the Control arms and the Rock Rails... Great WOrk!!!! (Insert frothy beer icon here)

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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

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Truck Looks great, hope to have one of my own soon
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by Cactus Red » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:38 am

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Pre-assemble the cradle to the lower mount, pre-assemble the upper bracket, install the 1/4" NPT to 1/4" air line fitting to the bags.
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The bags are installed with the stud orienting the bag to the upper bracket. Decide where you want the air lines to be accessed - I ran mine out the sides of the license plate. Routing of the line is real easy on the drivers side. There is a wiring loom that runs along the frame I used to zip tie the line to. The Passenger side is a bit more difficult due to the exhaust, so choose the routing to avoid it, and use the supplied heat shield for the airline and the air bag when installing it. The plastic covers supplied for the valves are cheesy, so I used the same type I have on the truck. One of the valve stem cores supplied with the kit leaked, so it was replaced with one of the spares I carry.
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by FirerescuePW » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:59 am

Nice writeup! Sounds very simple, maybe just a few hours. Do you notice any lost compression? I think I read that the Firestone bags have an internal bump. And is there just one u-bolt holding the bracket to the axle tube?

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Post by myoung84 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:25 pm

Looks good! I also replaced the cheesy caps they provide with some standard black caps.

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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by Cactus Red » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:02 pm

FirerescuePW wrote:Nice writeup! Sounds very simple, maybe just a few hours. Do you notice any lost compression? I think I read that the Firestone bags have an internal bump. And is there just one u-bolt holding the bracket to the axle tube?

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It's a single u-bolt, but the bracket is retained by the "ears" that fit between the leaf spring u-bolt.

It looks like the compression limit is similar to the factory bump. I'll know more about ride and trail capabilities soon!


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Post by azracer » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:23 pm

Nice,

I still need to put mine on :doh: it's always something getting in the way.

PS: Do you have a level shot? I'm just wondering if the cups line up vertically with the bags or will I need to move the cups inboard to line them up like myoung84 did.
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Post by Cactus Red » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:47 pm

They lined up fine Ken - no problem there at all. It's a real easy install. I'd run the air lines and installed the brackets in under an hour, so if all the parts had been in the kit, it would have been completed in just over an hour. Probably spent more time on the exhaust side routing than any other single item. If I'd used the saw's-all on cutting off the extra threads, it would be well under an hour.

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Cactus Red wrote:They lined up fine Ken - no problem there at all. It's a real easy install. I'd run the air lines and installed the brackets in under an hour, so if all the parts had been in the kit, it would have been completed in just over an hour. Probably spent more time on the exhaust side routing than any other single item. If I'd used the saw's-all on cutting off the extra threads, it would be well under an hour.

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Post by Cactus Red » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:52 am

Had the truck in for service, and had a chance to see how much droop there is:
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by azracer » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:39 pm

Okay,
I got it done today. It was easy and I agree the routing and securing of the air lines took the most time for me as well. I also had to use the air bag mount closest to the back of the truck, due to my longer springs I guess.

I opted to run the passenger side line across to the drivers side and secured it to the bed support ribs on the underside of the bed. I was worried about the exhaust heat a little so I wrapped the PS air line with foil (heater duct) tape from the airbag out about a foot and a half. I then secured them together down the drivers side to the existing harness. I also used wire loom to cover the red air line just for added protection. I also thank you Mark for the idea of putting the fill fittings on either side of the license plate rather than in the holes in the plate itself. I put the LED backup licence plate frame on and that was a much better location for it as it would have been a pain to get to.

Mark the reason I'm posting here is for droop comparisons with your shots. Although I could not get full droop because I still have yet to put my longer braided brake lines on, (waiting for time to flush the brake fluid is all). I may just go ahead step up that service though. Mark I was not sure I should post here but knew you could move it so I figured I would start with it here. If you prefer to keep this thread clean then by all means move it for me please.

I also notice a little better ride (if that is possible) with about 3>5 psi in them.

As you can see the brake line is kinda stretched tight in this shot. I actually had to jack the axle back up for this shot as I noticed it was straining the brake line and ABS harness when the tires were on the ground. Drive shaft was way close to the cross member too. I will address that stuff later like I stated above.
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Here you can see both the droop and the cut I needed to do for the exhaust to clear the spring on full droop.
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Similar angle to your droop shot above.
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It looks like the cup is not lined up in this shot but it is as it hangs over just as much behind the shock where we can't see it from this angle.
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As you can see I cheated with 2x4 boards under the tires to relieve the stress on the brake line and ABS wires. I needed to take the jack out of the way and this was the easiest way to do that. I had about a 1/2" more shock shaft to go even with the tires on the ground and ready to snap my brake line. Will be interesting to see what true full droop is when I get it all dialed in.
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by Cactus Red » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:28 pm

Impressive Ken!

Posting that here is fine, but I know we'd all like to see a build thread that documents how you got to this point in the development of the truck. If I didn't have a huge bill coming due for the 60K maintenance (to keep the Life Time B to B warranty, I have to complete the recommended service up, and they "forgot" a few items at the 45K time frame, so I have almost a grand bill coming due), I'd figured on upgrading the rear shocks soon. That's gonna have to wait now...
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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by azracer » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:38 pm

Cactus Red wrote:Impressive Ken!

Posting that here is fine, but I know we'd all like to see a build thread that documents how you got to this point in the development of the truck. If I didn't have a huge bill coming due for the 60K maintenance (to keep the Life Time B to B warranty, I have to complete the recommended service up, and they "forgot" a few items at the 45K time frame, so I have almost a grand bill coming due), I'd figured on upgrading the rear shocks soon. That's gonna have to wait now...
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Yea I have been contemplating the idea of just taking a day and doing a build thread with photos and explanations. It would help answer many questions folks may have I know. I just have not felt that my build fit the average PW owner and I did not want to motivate or disgust other purist owners by seemingly showing off as it were. I spent a ton on this :oops: . I estimate close to or just over $5,500 on just the suspension and I even bought some used parts too. I don't wish that kind of expense on anyone and would not want to go bragging about it either. But around here it seems more normal and less like bragging than it did on over on DT. Hell around here I'm not even close to the most modified or hardest balls out user... and by a long shot!

I will get to that build thread soon but I think I had better figure out how to get full droop front and rear first. Front droop will be the one that is the hardest and will likely require tons of testing and adjusting. I'm just not looking forward to those long days of fitting and cycling that heavy axle up and down checking for clearance then disassembling it just to put it all back together again. After all except for the lack of safe droop I love how it works right now. :cheers:
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Post by Cactus Red » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:31 pm

I'll look forward to reading it Ken. A go fast PW just might be the ultimate combination. It's still a locked, winch equipped, sway bar disconnecting trail truck too!

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Re: The Cactus Red mod thread.

Post by TwinStick » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:26 am

My B-to-B check was free. They sent me a coupon. I had no issues. No $$$$. Free coffee too. I thought i was in a dream world !!! They said i only need to get it checked before every 5 year time period since i took delivery goes by, to keep it in effect ???
In WNY State. 2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls an 18' 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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