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Battery talk.

Post by TwinStick » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:58 pm

The good, the bad & the ugly. Lets hear it. :lol:

I have been looking around at them again lately. I was just gonna go to a big box store & get one but man, they all seem to have shitty reviews lately. Seems that what was decent & good a few years back has now turned to shit according to the reviews. I was seriously thinking an Optima Blue top but based on the reviews, I just could not bring myself to do it. My 2008 Sears Die Hard Platinum is still plugging away as a 2nd battery in the Power Wagon.

So tonight, I ended up ordering one of these, in Gp 31 flavor: http://www.cabelas.com/product/boating/ ... s?slotId=6
It seems to have about the same specs as the M2/Sears Die Hard Platinum I have & the big ass Odyssey. It may very well be made by Odyssey, idk ? It was on sale, I got free shipping (74 lbs) but had to pay the $14 sir charge for weight, had a $20 coupon & got my Military/Law Enforcement discount & used about $15 in points as well. Shipped direct from Manufacturer to my house, so it saves me a trip 1 hr each way. Still, one expensive battery. I will report back later. Plan on using it for the 82 qt ARB fridge/freezer & if it works out, getting another one for the 50 qt. I already have the Cabela's Pro Angler twin 20 amp charger for them.
2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls a 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Battery talk.

Post by Colibri » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:40 pm

I’ve gone to odyssey batteries in everything I own, only batteries that have been trouble free for me. Going on 6-7 years so far

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Re: Battery talk.

Post by TwinStick » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:52 pm

The Odyssey 31M-PC2150ST is very close in looks, size, weight as the one I got from Cabela's. You can get it on sale at Battery Mart for $299.95 but then you gotta add shipping & it ends up being a wash, at least for me, ($38.50 shipping). I hope it works out. Great reviews anyways.
2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls a 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Battery talk.

Post by TwinStick » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:58 pm

Battery arrived Friday evening. Reading 12.76 volts. Threw it on the Odyssey Optimizer 50 amp triple bank charger this morning. It is still going through it's cycle but is reading 13.6 volts. It is slowly increasing the volts, so it will absorb & hold the 13.6 volts, or at least that's the way it is supposed to work anyways. Had the camper Gp 24 deep cycle on a "smart charger/maintainer" & it would only charge it to 12.6 volts, so I also put it on the Odyssey Optimizer charger on bank #2. It is now reading 13.6 volts as well. Weather they both will hold a 13.6 volt charge, on their own, overnight, after being removed from the charger, remains to be seen.
2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls a 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Battery talk.

Post by TwinStick » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:36 pm

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Rolling Battery rack/charging station I made for the garage. Camper battery is behind the X-900. Both are currently being analyzed, charged, conditioned, auto maintained & once a month storage reconditioned by the Cabela's Pro Mariner 20 amp X 2 bank "smart" charger.

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Odyssey Ultimizer 50 amp X 3,Triple bank "smarter" charger.

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Tractor Supply "Dumb" charger. I really like this charger.

Bottom line, it seems a damn shame (& a royal PITA) that you really need so many different chargers to properly maintain all the different batteries I have. Sometimes, the "smart" chargers are not so damn smart at all. It will say battery needs replacing. I have brought 3 batteries back to life that smart chargers would not touch. Including my 2008 Sears Die Hard Platinum (that is still rocking strong). My 2 neighbors are also still using the batteries I brought back for them. One was reading 9 volts & the other 9.9 volts. (NOTE: I DO NOT RECOMMEND DOING THIS AT ALL-SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH CAN RESULT !) But this is what I did. Took each one, on a very windy day & put it in my garden behind the garage. Took my Platinum battery & set it about 10' away. Hooked my jumper cables to platinum battery, then touched the + jumper to - terminal of bad battery & - jumper to + terminal of bad battery. Yes it sparked big time. I did this 2-3 times & just touched them for a micro second. Windy day is good to dissipate explosive gasses. I wore heavy clothing & triple safety for eyes & face, just in case. Then, I hooked it up to the dumb charger. I would charge at 60 amps for 5 minutes (to hep desulfate the plates) & then leave it at 4 amps constant overnight. I kept doing this for about a week. Then used the Odyssey Ultimizer. Left it on that for a week. Battery came back to 12.79 volts.
2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls a 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Battery talk.

Post by TwinStick » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:00 pm

So, today, I checked them both again. Both read 13.10 volts, hmmmmmm. Further investigation ensued. So, after I RTFM :lol: , I realized there is 3 separate settings. But, of course you can NOT just press a button to change them, noooooo, that would just be too damn simple. There is a teeny tiny plastic screw in the side of the unit, and 2 other teeny tiny plastic screws in a teeny tiny plastic bag. Each teeny tiny plastic screw has a different length nipple on the inside. So, I switched out the shortest one, for the longest one. One is for flooded wet cell batteries, one is for AGM batteries & one is for High Performance AGM batteries. So, I chose the one that had the highest "float/conditioning" volts. I am not concerned that I have 1 HP AGM battery & 1 flooded wet cell battery hooked up at the same time. I unplugged it & replugged it in (there is no on/off switch). It then went into "conditioning mode". I then put the volt meter on them both & they were right around 14.82 volts, which should be enough to bring them back up to 13.6 volts. They were only at 13.1 volts with the "flooded wet cell" teeny tiny plastic screw in there. This is my "pretty smart charger".

Now, I have also monitored the Odyssey Ultimizer while in charge & conditioning mode. It has shot up to as much as 17+ volts, then slowly backs it back down & repeats. It is not always 17+ volts, depends on the battery & it's condition of charge, sulfation, etc. It is my "smartest charger".

Now, on my Tractor Supply charger, it also varies greatly. on 4 amp mode, it is around 13-14 volts. On 30 amp mode, it is around 15-16 volts. On 60 amp mode, it is 17-18 volts. So, basically it will do the same thing as the Odyssey Ultimizer but you just have to do it manually. It is a "dumb charger".

I also have a few of the small single trickle charger/maintainers. Those are my "kinda smart chargers", but only for starting batteries.

Daunting, isn't it ? I think so. No one tells you that you need a special charger when you get those "special" batteries.
2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls a 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Battery talk.

Post by Ducky's Dad » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:25 pm

The new Odyssey chargers must be even smarter than your smartest charger, because they don't have any settings whatsoever. Just connect to positive and ground, plug it in and away you go. Everything is automatic, from testing and diagnosis to conditioning and maintenance. Does not work any better than the old Ultimizer. I have a 40-amp three-bank Ultimizer and one of their new 20-amp dedicated chargers. Can't get my two year old G31 Extreme to charge above 12.6V. Sometimes the new charger tells me the battery is at 100% (which would be above 12.85OCV) when the multimeter says the battery is below 12.0. The Ultimizer will go through the full program, including conditioning, but the battery still stabilizes at about 12.6OCV. I get the same results whether I leave the battery connected in the truck or disconnect both leads while charging. My 7-amp Ctek gives me about the same results, just takes longer to get there. Very frustrating.

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Re: Battery talk.

Post by TwinStick » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:34 pm

Yeah, my favorite charger is my dumb charger. I can charge, trickle charge, shock charge (on the 60 amp setting,to help desulfate the plates), and I can purposely overcharge (to get a battery to hold it's required voltage). A smart charger usually will only do that so long-before it kicks into maintain mode.

I'll be honest, I really am starting to think the way to go nowadays is, a bench charger with adjustable voltage and adjustable amps. Because all the "smart chargers" are not so smart after all. Something like this: http://www.mastechpowersupply.com/volte ... input.html

I can set the 3 bank Ultimizer to show the % of charge for banks 1-2-or 3, the volts of 1-2-or 3, or the amps of 1-2-or 3. I can also switch it between charging & test mode on any of the 3 banks. If I know it is low from using it, I can jump right into the charge mode, without waiting for it to go through the testing mode. That can take up to 20 minutes sometimes.
2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls a 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Battery talk.

Post by TwinStick » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:43 pm

So, today, it is back in the maintain mode on the Cabela's Pro Mariner 20 x 2 charger & it is only readong 13.06 volts !

So, it would seem the only chargers I have that are capable of getting them up to 13.6 volts are the (no longer available) automatic/manual Odyssey Ultimizer & the Tractor Supply 4/30/60/300 wheeled manual charger.
2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls a 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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