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Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby Chaszur » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:32 pm

I am looking to flat tow my 2016 behind my RV. Blue Ox makes a baseplate for 2012 - 2014 Power Wagons. Road master makes one that, although not specifically listed for the 2016, I am told it should fit but the it looks like the air dam needs to removed for it to work.

Is anyone flat towing? What are you using and can you provide some feedback and pics?

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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby RustyPW » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:42 pm

If you had a offroad bumper that had a place for shackles. Blue Ox makes an adapter for it.

http://blueox.com/products/tow-bar/bx88 ... d-adapter/
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby Chaszur » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:55 am

I have an off-road bumper on my Jeep Wrangler but had not thought about swapping out the PW's bumper. Anybody have any favorite after market bumper they recommend?
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby RustyPW » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:10 pm

I have the Aluminess bumper. But I don't know if it can handle flat towing.
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby Chaszur » Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:04 am

This is turning out to be more of a challenge than I expected. I checked Aluminess, AEV and Smittybilt all of whom sell an off-road bumper for the PW. They all say the same thing. The bumper is not designed for flat tow applications and will not work. I'm no engineer but it seems that if the bumper has tabs for recovery use, those tabs should be strong enough to use for flat towing bu the manufacturers disagree. I've contacted a couple local truck customizers and they are willing to quote on custom bumpers.

I'm really surprised nobody else, according to distributors, is flat towing a Power Wagon. I guess I'll see where this all goes after talking to local fabricators.
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby RustyPW » Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:03 pm

There is another member here that flat tows his 3G. Think it might be cruz. I don't know what set up he has.
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby cruz » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:26 pm

RustyPW wrote:There is another member here that flat tows his 3G. Think it might be cruz. I don't know what set up he has.


Uhh , maybe in my dreams, or after I win the Lottery. :lol:
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby cruz » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:37 pm

Chaszur wrote:This is turning out to be more of a challenge than I expected. I checked Aluminess, AEV and Smittybilt all of whom sell an off-road bumper for the PW. They all say the same thing. The bumper is not designed for flat tow applications and will not work. I'm no engineer but it seems that if the bumper has tabs for recovery use, those tabs should be strong enough to use for flat towing bu the manufacturers disagree. I've contacted a couple local truck customizers and they are willing to quote on custom bumpers.

I'm really surprised nobody else, according to distributors, is flat towing a Power Wagon. I guess I'll see where this all goes after talking to local fabricators.


As far as an attachment point for a tow bar, I'm thinking you could replace the OEM tow hooks with something fabricated like this, but turned horizontally. And you'd still have a good attachment place for a clevis shackle...
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby RustyPW » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:02 pm

cruz wrote:
RustyPW wrote:There is another member here that flat tows his 3G. Think it might be cruz. I don't know what set up he has.


Uhh , maybe in my dreams, or after I win the Lottery. :lol:
:drool:

If that wasn't you, then who had that set-up?
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby cruz » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:14 pm

IIRC, I think it was a pic from somebody over at DT.
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby cruz » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:09 pm

Chaszur wrote:I am looking to flat tow my 2016 behind my RV. Blue Ox makes a baseplate for 2012 - 2014 Power Wagons.


Out of curiosity, I did some checking ...

http://blueox.com/products/baseplates/b ... wer-wagon/

Is there any difference between the front end of a 2014 vs a 2016 ? I don't know for sure , but they look the same to me. If there is no difference, I don't see any reason why this baseplate won't work. Sometimes aftermarket manufacturers are slow to update their product info.

This is pretty cool ...

http://blueox.com/recreational-commerci ... t-program/
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby TwinStick » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:36 am

Chaszur wrote:This is turning out to be more of a challenge than I expected. I checked Aluminess, AEV and Smittybilt all of whom sell an off-road bumper for the PW. They all say the same thing. The bumper is not designed for flat tow applications and will not work. I'm no engineer but it seems that if the bumper has tabs for recovery use, those tabs should be strong enough to use for flat towing bu the manufacturers disagree. I've contacted a couple local truck customizers and they are willing to quote on custom bumpers.

I'm really surprised nobody else, according to distributors, is flat towing a Power Wagon. I guess I'll see where this all goes after talking to local fabricators.




EXACTLY. A winch with a snatch block, hooked back to the bumper would put far more stress on the bumper tow hook area than flat towing ever would. Hell, even yanking someone out of the mud would do the same.

Everyone is STD (scared to death) of litigation these days. They are just CTA (covering their asses). :doh:
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G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby olyelr » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:36 pm

'14 to '16 is the same. That blueox should work for you.
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby RustyPW » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:15 pm

Where can I get these? I'm going to make my own bumper so that I can flat tow the PW.
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby Retired BLM Rig » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:32 pm

Here's one source. Rated at 3 tons each.
http://www.billet4x4.com/pro-shackle-mount.htm

Here's some on eBay that aren't rated and bolt in place of the tow hooks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-2016-DODGE ... 2192346212
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby TwinStick » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:22 pm

Either of those will do the job. Not too much side to side strength required for flat towing.
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Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????
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Re: Anyone Flat Towing a 2016 PW?

Postby Retired BLM Rig » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:30 am

RustyPW wrote:I'm going to make my own bumper so that I can flat tow the PW.

Sounds like a good winter project. :popcorn:
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